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  1. Doc Stephen

    Excellent perspective on characters power seeking both in fantasy games and in the real world. I like the value u mention that some games get us to think about the unseen world…..as Paul says “we see what cannot be seen” [roughly put] and so this awareness has value. As long as we do not cling to false gods and know that all real power is from Jesus.

    • M. J. Young, Chaplain

      Amen, and thanks for commenting. It always encourages me to read that something I wrote benefited someone.

      –M. J. Young

  2. chad

    //who need salvation//

    Your religion is not a virtue; no one ‘needs’ your religion. The act of imagining people are some faulty and in need of something only YOU can provide is a kind of in group versus out group psychological ‘enemy image’ projection. You imagine ills about people outside of your immediate peer group, which is defined by an insular ethnic superstitious belief system. You’re so arrogant, you can’t even consider the possibility that any version of Christianity can exist outside of your own, in fact you talk about other groups and issues as if they are intrinsically not-Christian or better yet.. anti-Christian.

    Most Christians reject your Christianity.

    You’re not a god. You don’t get to speak as if you are a god, which that is exactly what you’re doing.

    No, you’re not telling us the ‘words of jesus’ you’re telling us an extremely narrow personal subjective interpretation that’s derived from a relativistic cultural belief that only temporarily exists in the present. Most Christians reject your belief, both in the present and past, with Christianity ( just like every other religion ) weaving in and out of different ideologies and different interpretations.. with very little cohesion that can’t be enforced at the end of a sword or a gun.

    • M. J. Young, Chaplain

      Chad, I am not a god–but I am a Mensa-level theology scholar specializing in New Testament. I’m aware of the broad differences among Christians; our group of which I have been chaplain almost from the beginning (a quarter century now) has been comprised of persons from a wide range of denominations including Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and most branches of Protestantism.

      I think our primary conflict is in misunderstanding what “faith” is. We believe that it is actually true that Jesus of Nazareth was in some sense the Son of God, that He literally lived and died, executed by the government, and that He returned to life and ascended into heaven. But when I say that “we believe” this, I mean that we take them to be facts–much as we believe George Washington was the first President of the United States, or the Earth revolves around the Sun at a distance of roughly eight light minutes.

      Neo-orthodox scholar John Bright in his book Authority of the Old Testament said that to be a Christian is to believe that the Bible is true, and that the degree that you believe it is the same degree to which you are a Christian. There are certainly people who want to call themselves Christians who do not believe the Bible, and I can’t tell them they can’t use the label–but I think that they have co-opted a title which historically means something different. If you believe the Bible is true, you are Christian; if you are Christian, you believe the Bible is true.

      It also intrinsically means that you believe that people who do not believe the Bible to be true, who do not believe that Jesus is the Son of the Creator and that He returned to life after being executed and ascended into heaven, are wrong–much as people who believed the earth to be flat were wrong, and people who believed the sun traveled around the earth were wrong. That’s not denigrating them in any way; it’s simply recognizing that if these things are true, anything that contradicts them must be false.

      I think you have a very poor understanding of Christianity, which actually has been remarkably consistent through history. My beliefs are very similar to those of Tertulian, Augustine, Luther, Wesley, and Billy Graham. Not one of us believes we have everything absolutely right, and indeed this is the reason I continue to study–but also to teach and share what I have already learned.

      I have written several books http://www.mjyoung.net/publish/ you might find helpful, but I suspect that you are less interested in exploring the subject than I, so I will leave this here.

      • chad

        //had, I am not a god–but I am a Men//

        Your entire theological belief is subjective.

        Since you’re dictating ‘truth’ at others, you are in effect pretending to be a god or operating as if you know the mind and intent of a god. You can’ t be bothered to argue how it’s true, anymore than any other theological believer can, and you have no choice but to presuppose it is true. You have to qualify that with ‘faith’ to account for knowledge you don’t actually have.

        Even if I thought a god existed, I wouldn’t dare claim to be authoritative in what it ‘intends’ or ‘thinks’ without qualifications that that is nothing more than mere speculation. It’s fascinating to me that you don’t recognize the fault in your own myopic reasoning. Which I think the use of other absolute polemics in your response speaks to the inability to humble yourself.

        • M. J. Young, Chaplain

          “You can’ t be bothered to argue how it’s true, anymore than any other theological believer can, and you have no choice but to presuppose it is true.”

          Au contraire, mon ami, I have indeed “bothered to argue how it’s true” in some detail in my book http://www.mjyoung.net/publish/believe.html Why I Believe. You probably don’t care because you’ve made up your mind and don’t want to be confused by the evidence.

  3. Chad

    //a Mensa-level theology scholar specializing in New Testament. I//

    Don’t care.

    Every theologian, including other Christian theologians, can claim to be a theologian or educated in theology. Unless you have general divinity studies at a university, you’re going to a seminary which is aligned to a specific theological version of belief as well as hermeneutics centered around that version of belief. If you come from an Evangelical believing community

    I don’t really care about Mensa either; arguments from authority fallacies are meaningless. Labels are meaningless. I find it far more concerning that so much weight is placed on IQ, when IQ is a well known nebulous concept in scientific research.

    //We believe that it is actually true that Jesus of Nazareth was in some sense the Son of God, that He litera//

    Don’t care.

    The general ‘bullet points’ of Christianity are not in conflict here. The issue is that you’re opining that other Christians have a different SOTERIOLOGICAL interpretation. Which is what I pointed out.. and which you didn’t address. As I pointed out, only a small number of Christians actually have a kind of universalistic interpretation of their own theology. Most branches of Christian theology maintain that only their version of Christianity is true and all others are intrinsically false.

    //e that the Bible is true, and that the degree that you believe it is the same degree to which you are a Chris//

    These are fantastic special pleading fallacies.

    Most Protestant Christian denominations claim to both be reading the bible, the bible is true, and the bible is inerrant. Yet, they can and do have wildly differing beliefs and interpretations.. BECAUSE theological interpretation is intrinsically subjective. Just saying the ‘bible is true’ is irrelevant.

    //u believe that people who do not believe the Bible to be true, //

    This is a polemic; you’re diving all peoples into those who believe the bible is true versus those who don’t. You do this without any real explanation, which just.. begs the question.

    I’m a militant atheist, I love studying religious documents, I can say the bible is ‘true’. However, you’re conflating a personal subjective theology with ‘truth’. A book, any book, need not be 100% true or 100% false. Again, you’re operating from really silly polemics.

    // of Christianity, which actually has been remarkably consistent through histor//

    There are not 45k+ denominations of Christianity spread amongst 12+ branches of Christian theology because either the bible or theology or the history of the development of are ‘consistent’. They are overwhelmingly inconsistent, demographics of Christianity are largely driven by geographical borders, socioeconomic borders, as well as demographics related to age and politics and even ethnicity.

    //writt//

    Don’t care.

    What can you argue right now?

    • Chad

      // If you come from an Evangelical believing community//

      Forgot to finish this.

      If you come from an Evangelical community you most likely were sponsored by your church to enter a seminary program. You probably began meeting with pastors in your church, with other youth pastors, engaged in rote memorization and rote recall ( which you call ‘study’ ). In reality you’re just memorizing lists of bullet point style ‘beliefs’, that you then regurgitate upon request.

      When you get to the seminary, assuming you’re lucky that seminary isn’t a metal building that barely has less than a dozen students, you may sit around being clumsily taught how to read a little Greek. You may also have some education in oratory presentation, public speaking, etc. You also most likely have to sign or agree to a statement of faith which is just a presentation of that version of Christian theology that particular seminary teaches.

      • M. J. Young, Chaplain

        For what it’s worth, that’s not my background. I grew up in churches of several Protestant denominations and attended others, obtained my first undergraduate degree from a Lutheran Bible college and my second from a Evangelical college whose faculty was drawn from denominations as wide ranging as Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Baptist, and Pentecostal. My graduate degree is in law, and I have studied independently and taught Biblical studies both in classes at a small Christian college and in online courses.

        Be careful what you assume. One of the lessons I was taught at that college was to be sure you examine your own presuppositions before you draw conclusions.

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